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« Reply #15 on: 10/18/07, 08:36 AM »

oh yeah, y'all beat the shit out of SF.
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« Reply #16 on: 10/19/07, 12:01 PM »

What exactly are you asking the Uni to do? Take money away from football? Refuse to update facilities, settle for second best or third best in terms of upgrades? Again, when I bring in as much money as they do, then I will get my piece of the pie too.

Even you admit that this is no longer a student league anymore. Doesn't that bother you, don't you think that something should be done so student-athletes stop being treated like demi-gods but like students? The point I was trying to make by crunching the numbers is that the majority of football programs lose money not make money, but they still get the best equipment money can buy. I cite Rutgers a lot because I am familiar with the universities working. Rutgers is spending approximately $116 million to add an additional 12,000 seats, 2,000 of which will be student seats. The average price of a ticket is $35 dollars so it would take over 50 years for the University to earn this money back, not even including maintenance costs. All of this money doesn't get factored into the athletic budget though. I'm just saying if there were true accounting in college football and players not getting paid underneath the table, there would still be a product that most people would enjoy. I feel like you agree with me on many of the points about athletics being corrupt but you have just come to accept them.

oh yeah, y'all beat the shit out of SF.
Thank's for the vote of confidence. I'm sure if you looked closely enough you could have seen me on ESPN rushing the field after our victory.
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« Reply #17 on: 10/20/07, 02:07 AM »

Universities would not fund sports programs if they were sucking up money, period.  These programs make money in one way or another; be it on the books or off the books.
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« Reply #18 on: 10/20/07, 08:50 AM »

I tend to agree more with Ian that despite whatever the books say they find a way to generate money. Yes, I have come to accept the fact that jocks are treated like their shit don't stink. It is amusing when they run into a prof who disagrees and is more than willing to fail them. They aren't all dumber than a box of rocks, some actually do attend class and do quite well. Some do not. l am reminded of PJ Tucker a couple of years back who allowed his grades to slide so far that he had to sit out from basketball  at UT Austin for a semester or so, he got his ass back on track and did well. As far as programs which do not pull their weight but which have become a liability, they get canned also. If there is no one signing up for a program then it gets cut. It generally doesn't happen overnight, but a steady decline of interest or funds for a program, academic or athletic, means that it will eventually disappear or go somewhere else.
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« Reply #19 on: 10/21/07, 01:19 AM »

That's part of my point, that it does bother me personally when athletes get separate classes and then still manage to fail them. The university it basically handing out grades to these people and they still throw this opportunity away. I would still like to see student-athletes attend class like normal people, that means not having people check to make sure they show up to class, that means not hiring tutors that basically do their homework for them. I'm not saying that this applies to all athletes because I personally know of certain athletes that are in my major and doing better than I am, but it seems like these type of people are dwindling and the "paid athletes" are replacing them.

However, I still don't believe that football programs generate money, at least the vast majority of them, I think that there are some programs that do generate money but those that though you're left wondering at what cost. The types of universities that generate money tend to be the type that aren't strong academic universities, and I would much rather have it the other way around. Ian asked the question that if football programs are losing money than why would they still fund them. In my opinion, the reason that football programs are still funded is because money is being made off of them, the only problem is that this money is not being made by the university. Companies like Nike, Reebok, Tostitos and local merchants are the ones that are making money off of these programs and often the people that are benefiting from these programs are on the Board of Directors of these universities, or are part of local or state government in the case of state universities. If individuals are making money off of something they would do everything in their power not to shut this down and in many cases these types of people have a lot of power.
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« Reply #20 on: 10/21/07, 01:00 PM »

That's part of my point, that it does bother me personally when athletes get separate classes and then still manage to fail them. The university it basically handing out grades to these people and they still throw this opportunity away. I would still like to see student-athletes attend class like normal people, that means not having people check to make sure they show up to class, that means not hiring tutors that basically do their homework for them. I'm not saying that this applies to all athletes because I personally know of certain athletes that are in my major and doing better than I am, but it seems like these type of people are dwindling and the "paid athletes" are replacing them.

Well lets be realistic.  Student athletes aren't normal students.  They have a lot more responsibilities then the average student who attends class and parties on the weekends.  Not to say that tutors should be doing their work, but I think they are entitled to take classes that cater to them.  I'm sure it would be difficult if they took classes with everyone else and after they lost a game they have every other student asking them what happened while they're trying to complete their work.

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However, I still don't believe that football programs generate money, at least the vast majority of them, I think that there are some programs that do generate money but those that though you're left wondering at what cost. The types of universities that generate money tend to be the type that aren't strong academic universities, and I would much rather have it the other way around. Ian asked the question that if football programs are losing money than why would they still fund them. In my opinion, the reason that football programs are still funded is because money is being made off of them, the only problem is that this money is not being made by the university. Companies like Nike, Reebok, Tostitos and local merchants are the ones that are making money off of these programs and often the people that are benefiting from these programs are on the Board of Directors of these universities, or are part of local or state government in the case of state universities. If individuals are making money off of something they would do everything in their power not to shut this down and in many cases these types of people have a lot of power.

So then you are agreeing?  As I said above the program itself may not be making money, but with the amount of publicity and private support they get, they are.  That private support may be from Nike, Reebok, or Tostitos, but regardless its still money coming into the school prompted by the athletics.
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« Reply #21 on: 10/21/07, 11:26 PM »

Well lets be realistic.  Student athletes aren't normal students.  They have a lot more responsibilities then the average student who attends class and parties on the weekends.  Not to say that tutors should be doing their work, but I think they are entitled to take classes that cater to them.  I'm sure it would be difficult if they took classes with everyone else and after they lost a game they have every other student asking them what happened while they're trying to complete their work.

There are athletes that do take the same major that I have and take all of the same classes that I do and seem to manage, why should they be given the opportunity to take joke classes where all they have to do is show up in order to get an A and some of them can't even manage that.


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So then you are agreeing?  As I said above the program itself may not be making money, but with the amount of publicity and private support they get, they are.  That private support may be from Nike, Reebok, or Tostitos, but regardless its still money coming into the school prompted by the athletics.

No, I'm not agreeing with you. You are saying that money is coming into the school and I'm saying that money is being made off of the school. Sponsors like Reebok and Nike are the ones making the money. ABC is the company making the money. The university gets the short end of the stick because they have to pay and don't get anything in return. The university is the one that ends up dumbing themselves down because they have to admit star athletes that are only able to read on a third grade level and then spend even more resources and money making sure that these people pass even the most basic classes.
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« Reply #22 on: 10/22/07, 09:04 PM »


There are athletes that do take the same major that I have and take all of the same classes that I do and seem to manage, why should they be given the opportunity to take joke classes where all they have to do is show up in order to get an A and some of them can't even manage that.

Yes, I'm sure they do manage, but at the same time all sports aren't equal.  As stated earlier in this thread football brings in much more money then any of the other sports, yet they all fall under the athletic department.  I don't think you can argue that a student who is also playing football is under more pressure then another student who only has their studies to worry about.

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No, I'm not agreeing with you. You are saying that money is coming into the school and I'm saying that money is being made off of the school. Sponsors like Reebok and Nike are the ones making the money. ABC is the company making the money. The university gets the short end of the stick because they have to pay and don't get anything in return. The university is the one that ends up dumbing themselves down because they have to admit star athletes that are only able to read on a third grade level and then spend even more resources and money making sure that these people pass even the most basic classes.

Yes, but its common sense that the program needs to funded.  Reebok, Nike, and all those companies ARE making money off football, but I'm sure they understand that if the program is going bankrupt, they won't be making money for long.  Thats why they reinvest in the program, so the program continues, and they keep making money.  Thats also how the program itself makes money.
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« Reply #23 on: 11/13/07, 08:50 PM »

I was heading over to class today and noticed that there were flyers up for the Rutgers1000 (the actual story behind Confessions of a Spoilsport) and sure enough when I got home I saw that their website was up again. I'm not sure if Dowling is heading it this time because the contact information gives Richard Gundy. However it still seems that Dowling is active in the debate seeing that he wrote an Op-Ed for the NY Times announcing the return. The article can be seen here: http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~wcd/blitzed.html and the actual Rutgers1000 website is: http://rutgers1000.org/
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« Reply #24 on: 11/13/07, 10:03 PM »

Contributions are welcome. Checks payable to RU1000 Steering Committee can be mailed to Box 334, New Brunswick, NJ 08903. Contributions are not tax deductible.

 

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